The situation will only get worse as time goes on. The rescue packages by various Governments couldn't restore the confidence of the investors likewise, the new LCEC will not be able to restore the confidence of the members. Investors are looking for alternatives to shares or properties. Some of the members are looking at other places to go.
This Friday, there'll be an "emergency" meeting between for the small groups to decide on new leadership. It seems some members are not satisfied with the results of election held last Saturday. The outcome may or may not reduce the confidence level even more. This has never happened before: great objections to the election results.As for me, I think we should respect the decision made during the election. The person should be given the benefit of a doubt to perform his duty.
We must not have prejudice or pre-judgement towards him. Having said that, he needs to learn to work together with others and be a team player. To try to steal the spotlight alone will be a big mistake. The role is not as easy as it seems. In fact, I would rate it the hardest of em' all. Teamwork & communication will be essential for 2009. Teamwork means working together for a common objective and not blind obedience.
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Translation from google:
对于一些有趣的不明原因，我一直能够与发生的事情我周围，以发生的事情在世界各地同一时间举行。目前的形势，我们面临着就像是世界经济。时间是如此相似。
情况只会变得更糟随着时间的推移。一揽子救援计划由各国政府不能恢复信心的投资者同样，新的LCEC将无法恢复的信心成员。投资者正在寻找替代股票或财产。一些成员正在寻找其他地方去。
这个星期五，将是一个“紧急”会议之间的小团体来决定新的领导班子。这似乎有些委员不满意的选举结果上周六举行。其结果可能会或不会减少的信心水平甚至更多。这之前，从来没有发生过：伟大的反对选举的结果。
就 我个人而言，我认为，我们应该尊重作出的决定在选举。人应该考虑的利益，毫无疑问，履行自己的职责。我们绝不能有偏见或判决前向他。话虽如此，他需要学习 共同努力，与他人合作，并成为球队的球员。试图窃取单独的焦点将是一个很大的错误。的作用并不容易，因为它似乎。事实上，我的速度，最难的旅馆'所有。团 队合作与沟通将是至关重要的2009年。团队精神是指一道为共同的目标，而不是盲从。
最后关键事件，今年将在11月27日至 30日。这将被视为最大的“市场先行者” 。将大批的后果？是否应该或不，这是肯定的东西想立即。我们不能再浪费另一个几个月到3月09 。预防胜于治疗虽然有些可能会争辩的损害已经完成。新当选的LCEC必须显示其'的成员，他们有能力处理这些问题，而不只是试图掩盖一切或无视它。我认 为，他们必须迅速采取行动，作为紧急事项。
23 comments:
"By the way, someone told me the number of attendance for Friday actually outnumber the Wednesday one, Wow! Keep it up, people!"
SHawn you are probably the dumbest person on heaven and earth. How can u celebrate and be joyful that your lil prayer meeting is doing better than the church prayer meeting? Happy that ppl come to your prayer meeting rather than the church's one? SYOK SENDIRI KAH ?? If Jesus is standing next to you while u are writing your silly blog he will be shaking his head in disbelief
"the new LCEC will not be able to restore the confidence of the members"
if ppl remember correctly, you failed as LCEC chairperson. What have u got to say about that? blaming on others who can't see what u see? blame it to the rev? blame it on the bishop? blame it on society? blame it on shallow minded ppl? what else shawn??? the list is endless for u, but shawn is always right. ppl should listen to shawn, go to his superficial prayer meeting. who is shawn? a sinner like everyone else. he has no theological background as far as ppl know. LCEC is made out of doctors, dentist, engineers, accountants, architects, ppl with music talent,pharmacist..smart, energetic, with good backgrounds and quality. If the LCEC is made out of 16 Shawns, then God help us all
"Then we had our Local Conference on Saturday morning, not too impressed I would say."
Why do we need to do things that impress you?!?! As far as i know, if a monkey claps his hands for u, u will be very impressed.
Please read the book of James! Guard your tongue, whatever u are saying is hurting ppl. no benefit comes from this. u may think u are doing the right thing, anyone who has a brain will know what you say is wrong, hurtful, back stabbing, UNHOLY! the words u use, the hidden agendas. You always talk about ppl being a hypocrite. You are the hypocrite!!
"Sunday Service - Minor touch up could be done to the services. Some of the things we repeat weekly could be reduced to say once a month or once a fortnight. For example, reciting of the Apostle Creed, singing of the "Lord's Prayer", etc. If it's done weekly, it easily become a routine or habit that we don't know what we are reciting or singing about."
You cant just say you want to change because you think, because you feel, because you are shawn. That is just so lame!!! weak!!! selfish!!! again shawnism at its peak and madness!!
We are Methodist, and that is the core fundamental of our belief. John Wesley didn't die so that Shawn Lu can come and take over for him.
How can you, write all these things in your blog, back stabbing, looking down at ppl, spreading your own agenda for others to follow and see, and go to church, pretending you did nothing wrong, mixing with the same ppl you stab in ur blog?? how do you sleep at night?? knowing the hurt u cause to ppl around u. is this rightousness? is this what u see u are doing? is God nodding his head now and saying " yes, shawn..you are my good boy!"
wewe
"Our church attendance drops, offering drops, Sunday School students probably an all-time low, small groups divided (not multiplied) & shrinking, divisions in the church, gossiping, laziness, not doing mission works, not evangelising, etc. Sometimes I wonder why the church even exist if it's in such a pathetic state.
For me, this is a very serious condition! I don't know what else can be more serious than those above? "
WHAT"S MORE SERIOUS??
isn't it obvious??..it's you doing all these rubbish!!!
Are you telling me, you are not responsible for what is happening as you mentioned above?!?!? maybe just a bit??? or even just a tiny little bit???
Are you telling me, if we get say Rev. Elijah Chiew standing next to you, listening to all your pathetic whining, complains, your agendas, your cool ideas, your suggestions, he will endorse you fully? he will agree with what you say?? Let's see, Rev. Elijah is young hearted, he's funny, he's intelligent, he's the core small group advisers for many in australia, he's bilingual, he will probably be the best person to lead CLMC, ... will say "Shawn Lu, you are a genius!!! whatever you said is soooo right...why didnt anyone thought of it?!?!? i'm glad you are with us, i'm glad you got this blog for ppl to conteng and for you to scribble all your inner thoughts of greatness."
I think he will say to you " YOU ARE A FOOL!!!!!"
WHAT GOOD CAN YOU GET OUT OF ALL THESE?? BAD MOUTHING, TELLING PPL HOW BAD THE CHURCH IS BECOMING, DISCOURAGING PPL TO GO TO CHURCH, MOCKING PPL..AND THE LIST GOES ON!
YAH YAH YAH YAH..shawn went to korea..talked about all his spiritual changes, really?? it's still the same shawn. do u wake up at 5am every morning to pray??? if not..then shut up!
you are filled with bitterness in you that you want others to share it with you!
if you think this church no longer meet your needs, go to another church. i'm sure they will be happy to welcome you in, and then for you to bitch about it!
Thanks John!! LOL!!
Someone actually read what i wrote!!
Shawnism <--i like that idea!!
By the way, i hope u r 1 of the LCEC or closely related to LCEC. Without you, how can the LCEC be LCEC?
wow..what john said is so true about shawn!
i salute you John! you should have your own blog!
As for shawn, dun pretend pretend la. i even hear u post ur blog add on ur msn, facebook..everywhere lah..with the intention of wanting ppl to look at ur blog, so vain!!!!!
you suck!
Ahaha..another fan of Shawnism..thanks David!
Thanks for following so closely! So touched!
haha..shawn got a blog because he got no place to scribble his childish..inmature thoughts since CLMC website close. for him, clmc website is place for ppl to write what they think, place for ppl to express themselves about the church.
so shawn, if u are brave enough to write all these nonsense, u must be brave enough to hear what ppl got to say about you!!!
it's about time someone talk some sense on your blog!!!!!!!
go john!!!!!
go david!!!!!
God Bless You Guys!!
lead ppl back to the right path and away from shawn's own path to destruction, self destruction!
PS:i cant believe shawn is happy his prayer meeting has more ppl than the church's??!? his thinking..his mindser, a 7 year old can think better
btw, i heard al-jihad are willing to recruit u. they think u cause more destruction than their weapons of mass destruction!!
"so shawn, if u are brave enough to write all these nonsense, u must be brave enough to hear what ppl got to say about you!!!"
Tam, if i really scare of what people will write, those comments could have easily be deleted as soon as it get posted.
But then again, why should I?
Or at least you guys could be brave enough to use real names to post? Otherwise, no need talk like so brave or smart. Not as if i'm going to sue you guys for defamation.
Oh btw, I don't know who's even more childish here? Just read at what you guys posted lah..haha...i love reading it!
Seems like a record breaking day for the blog, 12 comments in a short period! Thanks guys!!
By the way, who says I'm happier for Friday to have more people than Wednesday? I only say "wow, keep it up!" meaning asking people to do better or at least keep to current form.
Not saying I'm happier coz Wed lost? Don't be so childish thinking la!
P/S: If you 3 (if there's really 3 person behind the monitor) really so mind about this issue, how about you 3 go to attend Wed prayer meeting huh? Then Wed will be "more" people than Friday loh? Where're you guys then? Didn't see you on Wednesday??? Don't tell me you are there oh, because it's not hard to tell who is and who is not. :)
I would like to pray for u shawn,
Dear Heavenly Father Help us to see the true desires of the leaders and participants of new churches who may be trying something different, and Lord this is what Shawn wants to do. Help us to see their heart and conviction. Help us to see how they are digging into scripture and seeking to live out a church life based on your teaching and actions within their cultural context. Give them wisdom not to teach out of reaction to a model with which they disagree, but to seek what you are doing here and now. Help them, too, not to become inwardly focused. Help them to make disciples and honor you in their lives and acts of service.
And God, help us all to see your church as one body. Help us to see that as church leaders, equippers and mobilizers, we're only one part. Help every person within your church to catch the vision of what you want to do in their lives and relationships. Help them to begin to serve you in new ways and to be transformed. Help us all to not be consumers of religion, but active participants in your work around us.
Shawn say this prayer...everyday, before you say anything!
Thanks John~
Hope it goes to everyone else too!
You delete my posting because it is irrelevant??? if you remembered, this is what happened on the CLMC website..too much irrelevant stuff on the website. you as adminstrator put so much rubbish on it!!! you and your stupid anwar crap..you and your resignation, using the website as your way of hitting back at CLMC, ppl joining you in condeming, all getting out of control till the LCEC have no choice but to close it down to prevent anymore destruction!! and yet you condemn LCEC for taking away the members' only way to voice their opinion and feelings towards the church!! so how is this different from what you are doing on your own blog..deleting stuff you dun wan ppl to see and hear!!!
if you ask what me and 80% of CLMC thinks, you are the main reason why CLMC is in such situation. You and your idea of openning up 2 chinese service when nobody is ready...resources are limited. you have no proper planning, understanding wanted to go ahead with the idea. so there you go, your super plan..attendance drop, ppl feel uncomfortable, rev cant take it, ppl serving cant take it, choir cant take it..once realized it can't work, finally go back to one service.
But the damage has been done!!! and what did you do?? resign!! YOU BLOODY COWARD!!! and left LCEC to pick up ALL YOUR MESS, TROUBLE AND FAILURES!!! and what did you do to help?!?!?! blame it on others!! complaining!! instead of helping restore the situation!!!
LCEC have to work so hard to make amends to what YOU HAVE DONE!!!. LCEC need to restore confidence of the ppl you say! YOU made the confidence drop!!! YOU brought everyone's morale down!!
WAKE UP SHAWN!! YOU ARE THE ONE LIVING IN A STATE OF DENIAL!!
"You and your idea of openning up 2 chinese service when nobody is ready...resources are limited. you have no proper planning, understanding wanted to go ahead with the idea. so there you go, your super plan..attendance drop, ppl feel uncomfortable, rev cant take it, ppl serving cant take it, choir cant take it..once realized it can't work, finally go back to one service."
Excuse me, Tam...You better get your facts right. You should go and ask Rev Loi whose idea is it to START the 2nd service and whose idea it is to CLOSE the 2nd service. I was just "following orders" if you wanna put it that way.
Btw, you don't even know why i resign. So, don't talk like you know everything. You don't, honestly.
Btw, if you remember on clmc forum, there's a "Misc" section for everything that's not included in other categories. Not in this blog though.
And right, I'm in denial, you're not :)
you are such a liar shawn.
why would rev. loi want to open the 2nd service when she was the one who oppose it because she will need to be at two service and it will be tiring for her?
again shawn is shifting blame to others!!
siew ling can verify what shawn said is not true, that rev. loi never suggest that! and it was shawn who have been the driving force behind having 2 service? remember your 'long term' vision shawn???
ask any 2008 LCEC, they can tell you it's shawn and not rev. loi!
Hahah, Mr Tam..or should I say Jimmy Kiu...I must say, the more you posted, the more you expose your identity.
Please check your meeting minutes of why Rev Loi wanted the 2nd service.
Or you might be too lazy to check...
Or have deep prejudice towards me?
Anyway, let me refresh you:
1. Our Chinese service was very full, not enough seats even with extra chairs added.
2. Rev Loi suggested we have another service to accommodate the congregations
3. Ideas seem the only way to handle it but LCEC was quite reserved about it as it was Easter period, so we tend to get more ppl than usual
4. Waited until July or so to open, to see if the congregations drop? Didn't, so, 2nd service started
5. Response was good, so I suggested it to be fixed ministry (in other words, we expand it). It was accepted by whole LCEC (plz refer to minutes).
6. During end of Nov, Rev Loi approach me to have it close over the summer as we don't have so many people. I was reluctant at 1st but agreed in the end. The condition was re-open it in March 08.
7. March came, during LCEC meeting, Rev Loi protested not to have 2nd service re-instated. Reasons: tired, etc (refer to minutes)
8. I proposed that we look into the matter and work a way around it to solve it. However, the idea didn't get passed, 3/4 of LCEC sympathies to Rev Loi. So, the service was closed. (refer to minutes)
Now, Jimmy, hopefully it's clear to you now. If not, refer back to minutes or ask those LCEC members who dare to be honest. I don't keep copies of the meeting minutes as the file was handed over to Viki but I can get it for you if you need to look at it.
By the way, not going to hold anything against you even i know who you are now. I understand your concern for writing such aggressive comments.
My advice to you, please get your facts right before you post.
And welcome to keep visiting my blog!
tam is jimy kiu? i am jimy kiu? you are so smart.
how about john and david? jimy kiu as well? ho ho ho
i hope you dun bring innocent ppl down with you
Come on Jimmy...admit it.
I have the strongest proof ever.
Or should I bring it to the LCEC for them to discuss your actions?
As you're one of the 16 "elite" LCEC members who come from various professional backgrounds, do you want it to be an official church matter to discuss your character?
stop all these now! no more
don't bother finding out who i am,
i don't wan you to simply accuse ppl.
this is my last post on your blog
Thanks John.
May God continue to bless you daily!
P/S: I know who you are already, let's keep it as our little secret yeah?
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